This is the first game I have seen that tries to re-imagine Sonic as a physics game. That probably makes it closer to the original spirit of the game than anything SEGA have done.
I know this is not quite like your game design, you seem to be channeling f-zero and wipeout a bit, but I have always thought Sonic should be a sort of racing physics game with no set direction.
All the sonic 3d games rigidly stick to the same idea of a narrow straight line racecourse with hazards, rollercoaster tunnels and bottomless pits, because that is what the 2d games did, but I always thought they should have gone the opposite direction entirely, something like a blend of carmageddon, motocross madness and tony hawk's. The game world wouldn't be contrived to recreate the rules of an ancient 2d game, it would simply exist around you and your goal is to find the best line through it.
I don't know if the technology or even the experience was there at the time to make that idea a reality.The actual game world would have had to have been immense, probably bigger than modern open world games. But 3d terrain engines existed back then. You could fit several hundred battlezone maps on a single CD, which would have been about big enough. At the time, these were actually quite fun just to fly around in, because the physics were really nice. The tricky part would be to stream them seamlessly. I suppose the closest paradigm would have been a flight sim engine, only for this one you would be (mostly) on ground level. So... a 'ground' sim engine? Imagine having a whole planet to run around!
I think all of the potential ingredients existed at the time, but was it a case of no one thought about doing it that way, or would it have been far too ambitious?
Sorry for the rambling, I was just trying to place myself in an alternate timeline where SEGA never crashed and burned and 3d Sonic games were actually fun to play...
Interesting video, I don't necessarily agree with all his points but definitely well thought out.
Sometimes I wonder if even SEGA ever truly understood what exactly was the secret sauce in those original games.
If I was going to do it I would literally take a hatchet to everything, throw out the rings, the loop de loops, the ramps, the running tubes, the bottomless pits, the checkpoints, the monitors, the springs, the act system and their end of level banners, the entire supporting cast of characters, literally everything except the main character and his nemesis...
There's only really three essential ingredients that need to be in it to make it a Sonic game, the acrobatic speed, the psychedelic environments, and the killer robots.
Everything else is all just baggage.
Like the guy mentioned in the video, taking out the boosters would actually force the developers to add to the core game play. It's a really simple but valid argument.
If you take out the springs, then you'd have to create a game that can handle high speed twitch parkour in 3d, or how do you get to the top of those buildings. If you don't have ramps and loops and other cliches, you have to make a game where you can wall run and grind almost anywhere you like, and with that the player has actually gained abilities rather than lost them. Take out the pits, and you have to actually consider why Sonic shouldn't just run around at 700mph, maybe it actually hurts when he slams face first into something.
Take out the rings and you have to give Sonic something else to compulsively collect, so what if it becomes a game where you have to pretty much constantly fill up on donuts and hot dogs in order to keep that insane metabolic rate going. You race through every area jumping from street food cart to ice cream stand clearing out whatever isn't nailed down, but it's kind of not stealing... its... er... requisitioning, because you need that energy to fight the real bad guy :)
Then the progression. Throw out the act 1/2/Boss formula and just make it open ended. It starts with Eggman taking over the world. He has giant robots and animal enslavement factories and chemical plants scattered around everywhere. You know the drill. Go whatever direction you want, head straight to the endgame if you feel like it, or go around the world undermining his power and collecting stuff that makes you stronger. Maybe one way gives you the best ending but is incredibly challenging, maybe the way where you bide your time gives you an easier endgame but a least decisive victory... but there is actually something to think about while you are playing, rather than just "hold forward.... now jump"
And then of course the best thing about throwing out all the other characters, the developers wouldn't be able to use them to control the story narrative, and it could unfold before the player much like Half Life rather than being narrated by insipid cutscenes... maybe Tails could get one token line where he says something like "Oh no sonic, Dr Eggman is back and he's destroying everything with his robots" and Sonic says 'Yeah no shit dude, I have eyes you know". Then he gets abducted and is never seen again, and Sonic is like 'Noooooooo! that's the last thing I ever said to him' and becomes all broken and broody like Max Payne.
Every contrived feature you remove from Sonic forces you to replace it with something more sophisticated and interesting to get the same effect. You just have to kill the whole damn series with fire before you can really rethink it :)
Okay so how do you make the jump from the swirl part into the beginning to the part right before the boost section? I can't make that jump without using his aim attack.
I am not sure how the url(or photo) says that its legit (her for example I just retyped the url) and since the camera does occasionally move to the same position when hitting enter it would be incredibly easy to (even potentially with snipping tool) create a fake score using image edits.
But you know what, just ignore TheSalmon i already put a report in for his comments.
So just go and have fun with this beautiful piece of work, just as it was intended.
My friend and I played this for quite a few hours on a chill Saturday. Very much a surprise! Great idea and execution for what it is. Loved finding shortcuts and then shaving time off our PBs. We've managed 59secs in the end. Thanks for the game - Can't wait for more.
Game's really nice, controls are a bit of a problemo, and for some reason my left and right is inverted, but otherwise pretty fine. It'll probably be more refined at the end.
This game is actually pretty nice to play with, The controls seem nice and responsive, The "homing attack" makes it more skill then spamming A and also makes it nice to dash back up if you fall off the track, Although the swapping between walking and driving controls is a little annoying but this is actually pretty fun, Nice job
Had tons of fun playing this with my friend, hopefully it keeps getting worked on or just adds some more stages cause this could be the next Sonic R but better
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This is the first game I have seen that tries to re-imagine Sonic as a physics game. That probably makes it closer to the original spirit of the game than anything SEGA have done.
I know this is not quite like your game design, you seem to be channeling f-zero and wipeout a bit, but I have always thought Sonic should be a sort of racing physics game with no set direction.
All the sonic 3d games rigidly stick to the same idea of a narrow straight line racecourse with hazards, rollercoaster tunnels and bottomless pits, because that is what the 2d games did, but I always thought they should have gone the opposite direction entirely, something like a blend of carmageddon, motocross madness and tony hawk's. The game world wouldn't be contrived to recreate the rules of an ancient 2d game, it would simply exist around you and your goal is to find the best line through it.
I don't know if the technology or even the experience was there at the time to make that idea a reality.The actual game world would have had to have been immense, probably bigger than modern open world games. But 3d terrain engines existed back then. You could fit several hundred battlezone maps on a single CD, which would have been about big enough. At the time, these were actually quite fun just to fly around in, because the physics were really nice. The tricky part would be to stream them seamlessly. I suppose the closest paradigm would have been a flight sim engine, only for this one you would be (mostly) on ground level. So... a 'ground' sim engine? Imagine having a whole planet to run around!
I think all of the potential ingredients existed at the time, but was it a case of no one thought about doing it that way, or would it have been far too ambitious?
Sorry for the rambling, I was just trying to place myself in an alternate timeline where SEGA never crashed and burned and 3d Sonic games were actually fun to play...
yeah it was based off BlazeHedgehog's sonic reimagining Youtube video
Interesting video, I don't necessarily agree with all his points but definitely well thought out.
Sometimes I wonder if even SEGA ever truly understood what exactly was the secret sauce in those original games.
If I was going to do it I would literally take a hatchet to everything, throw out the rings, the loop de loops, the ramps, the running tubes, the bottomless pits, the checkpoints, the monitors, the springs, the act system and their end of level banners, the entire supporting cast of characters, literally everything except the main character and his nemesis...
There's only really three essential ingredients that need to be in it to make it a Sonic game, the acrobatic speed, the psychedelic environments, and the killer robots.
Everything else is all just baggage.
Like the guy mentioned in the video, taking out the boosters would actually force the developers to add to the core game play. It's a really simple but valid argument.
If you take out the springs, then you'd have to create a game that can handle high speed twitch parkour in 3d, or how do you get to the top of those buildings. If you don't have ramps and loops and other cliches, you have to make a game where you can wall run and grind almost anywhere you like, and with that the player has actually gained abilities rather than lost them. Take out the pits, and you have to actually consider why Sonic shouldn't just run around at 700mph, maybe it actually hurts when he slams face first into something.
Take out the rings and you have to give Sonic something else to compulsively collect, so what if it becomes a game where you have to pretty much constantly fill up on donuts and hot dogs in order to keep that insane metabolic rate going. You race through every area jumping from street food cart to ice cream stand clearing out whatever isn't nailed down, but it's kind of not stealing... its... er... requisitioning, because you need that energy to fight the real bad guy :)
Then the progression. Throw out the act 1/2/Boss formula and just make it open ended. It starts with Eggman taking over the world. He has giant robots and animal enslavement factories and chemical plants scattered around everywhere. You know the drill. Go whatever direction you want, head straight to the endgame if you feel like it, or go around the world undermining his power and collecting stuff that makes you stronger. Maybe one way gives you the best ending but is incredibly challenging, maybe the way where you bide your time gives you an easier endgame but a least decisive victory... but there is actually something to think about while you are playing, rather than just "hold forward.... now jump"
And then of course the best thing about throwing out all the other characters, the developers wouldn't be able to use them to control the story narrative, and it could unfold before the player much like Half Life rather than being narrated by insipid cutscenes... maybe Tails could get one token line where he says something like "Oh no sonic, Dr Eggman is back and he's destroying everything with his robots" and Sonic says 'Yeah no shit dude, I have eyes you know". Then he gets abducted and is never seen again, and Sonic is like 'Noooooooo! that's the last thing I ever said to him' and becomes all broken and broody like Max Payne.
Every contrived feature you remove from Sonic forces you to replace it with something more sophisticated and interesting to get the same effect. You just have to kill the whole damn series with fire before you can really rethink it :)
I agree!
That was fun. I'd like to play this again.
A Sonic fan game playable in the browser? This should be good.
reminds me of lost world
my best is 52; 937
The best time is held by Sred on youtube: 52.375 sec on the 13.03.2020
Aghh you had to beat meeee
Good job anyway, I'll be trying to beat that
Okay so how do you make the jump from the swirl part into the beginning to the part right before the boost section? I can't make that jump without using his aim attack.
Is this you're score by the way?
We have a problem here.
truly
salmon are you sred on yt? he also got a 52
I doubt it, sred has way more manners and isn't hammering everyone about his best time
No, I am not, but you can chill with the language, I was just happy
I saw the score, I am trying to beat it
also dont be a butthead about your time
I dont believe you salmon where is the url?
But you know what, just ignore TheSalmon i already put a report in for his comments.
So just go and have fun with this beautiful piece of work, just as it was intended.
Have a good day
The URL was a way to prove that I achieved that score
I do not know how you could possibly use a snipping software to create a fake score however
Oh I understand i suppose you're suspicions are reasonable
I will happily put a video up with a score of maybe 54, but I do not think I can get 52 again, just to prove my skill ig
The URL is on the top, obviously, but that is just a way to prove that it was me that achieved the score to people I know
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no need to be salty buddy
also use honey in your cha
this is the indian way
** HIGH SCORE IS NOW 52.631**
Made by salmon tanver of rcms.
url for proof
use honey in your cha.
nope,
I see, I'll try to beat it.
Salmon is god
you can totally beat my scoreok i will stop flexing and go to sleep bye
also Im salmon so try to beat that rcms
tanver
url for proof
Godly
Legendary
Beat this
*** MY NEW RECORD (00:53:987)***
Unfortunately, I can't capture video footage. but I truly managed to get the current new record. Here it is :
good job but im afraid that high score won't last long
You're lucky I keep my promises mate.
But I send my apologies anyway.
Yeah sorry my g
My friend and I played this for quite a few hours on a chill Saturday. Very much a surprise! Great idea and execution for what it is. Loved finding shortcuts and then shaving time off our PBs. We've managed 59secs in the end. Thanks for the game - Can't wait for more.
This is Salmon tanver
one less than high score beat that suckers
check url for proof
the current record is at 53.8 seconds
oh i thought it was 55 but ok
I already passed that time stupid
i never said i beat that score dumbass
Imagine getting 55
ay
also the controls become inverted when you start a race, on both keyboard and controller
controls are a bit janky, but otherwise its a good game!
Game's really nice, controls are a bit of a problemo, and for some reason my left and right is inverted, but otherwise pretty fine. It'll probably be more refined at the end.
wHY MULTIPLAYER NO WORK
This game is actually pretty nice to play with, The controls seem nice and responsive, The "homing attack" makes it more skill then spamming A and also makes it nice to dash back up if you fall off the track, Although the swapping between walking and driving controls is a little annoying but this is actually pretty fun, Nice job
i beat the world record (twice)
*Ahem*
*Ahem Ahem*
52
awesome
incredible
waste of timeNew record,
Really fun game!
Had tons of fun playing this with my friend, hopefully it keeps getting worked on or just adds some more stages cause this could be the next Sonic R but better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgrvotSdx4g
fun
*talks in rat*
same
Its a nice game but their is still some room for camera movements :)
The walking directions are relative to the world not the character/camera
Are you still working on this?
Please tell me you're still working on this.
I agree. I’ll be jumping for joy if another level comes out
good game buddy!